Jan. 14th, 2009 11:56 am
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...I mourn Barry Baker.

EDIT, 1358HRS: [ profile] filkertom, in picking up the above link from here, did me one better and found corroborating news sources.

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Date: 2009-01-14 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
It hurts my heart that I'm not surprised. I'm filled with horror but not surprised. Thanks for passing it along.

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Date: 2009-01-14 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That is so horrible.
I hope they got their ass fired and hopefully time in jail especially if he could have been saved.

This hurt to read

Date: 2009-01-14 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

Thank you for posting it, I don't know if I would have seen it and I'm glad I did.

I want to cry and scream at the same time so I'm going to go hug my dog and pet him until I feel better.


Re: This hurt to read

Date: 2009-01-15 12:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

He made note of his appreciation by flailing his right leg happily as I scritched him and has promptly curled up next to me with his head in my lap, occasionally nudging my arm if two minutes go by and I have forgotten to pet him.

I've decided I'm going to start putting up photographs of me with people I know and love in the hopes that anyone whoever comes to save me will see those and think 'Hey, people must like her, she might be worth saving.'

And hopefully they won't look in my disaster room, because otherwise I'm in trouble.

All sarcasm aside, I have to say the one time I have needed help from Emergency services they were amazingly quick and very helpful. They saved my grandmother's life and I bless them for giving me six more years with her. They were kind, gentle and did a lot to calm a hysterical 7 year old girl down.

Whatever these men are charged with, I think the Court of Public Opinion will punish them far more than any litigation. Just think of the next time they go to apply for a job, that little section that asks if you have ever been arrested, and what for?

There is also the idea that even if they should be found innocent in Court, any other call they have ever been on involving someone old or overweight that expired could be questioned now and should be. Is this the first time they've decided not to help someone in need? And they just happened to get recorded? They could be facing a lifetime of investigations into their prior records.

They're probably fired too.

I was glad to see that everything I read about Barry Baker says he was a gentleman and well-liked. I'm glad to see the outrage, maybe it'll affect the minds of any number of other EMTs and remind them that every person they save probably has friends who love them.

Re: This hurt to read

Date: 2009-01-15 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Let me just say that the issue here isn't how good or nice or worthy of saving Barry Baker was; he could've been a complete bastard asshat fucktard. No doctor or nurse or EMT gets to decide if someone lives or dies because of matters that don't pertain to the health matters at hand.

Fuck firing; fuck the court of public opinion. They get a full and fair trial to determine if they are guilty and what legal punishment their callousness will have earned them.

Public opinion of them is completely irrelevant to this process.

Re: This hurt to read

Date: 2009-01-15 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Good fix; I was working on several different edits. Mostly, I was thinking of triage situations where a choice will be made.

Re: This hurt to read

Date: 2009-01-15 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

I didn't say that Barry was more worthy of saving because people liked him. I agree that he could have been a complete and total jerk and they still should have saved him. Doctors, Nurses, EMTs and Emergency service people are not supposed to make medical or life saving decisions based on race, religion, culture, monetary reasoning or personal bias.

I said I was glad to see that what I read about him was positive because I think if after this I had to read a whole bunch of comments about 'how he had it coming' or 'How could you blame them for not wanting to bother with him' for the condition he was in I would have been sick over it.

Public opinion probably should be completely irrelevant to the legal process, but I don't think it is. I find it interesting to watch the trends of what cases get prosecuted by DAs in election years. It is certainly interesting to see how charges change depending on public outcry. And I do mean interesting, not appropriate.

My personal feeling is that they should be fired, for unwillingness to do their job, or perhaps for fraudulent reporting on their patient. As for the trial, I haven't heard what the official and final charges are so I have no idea whether they'll get a full and fair trial. From the charges the news are citing their callousness may earn them a fine and some community service. I do think that even after they stand trial, they'll be paying for this long after any sentence is handed down.

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Date: 2009-01-14 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Tom Smith nicked this from you (giving full credit) & is making sure HIS readers know too.

From one abundantly bodied person to another, thanks.

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Date: 2009-01-14 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
News link to the story:

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Date: 2009-01-14 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
doh! i missed the edited version. :-)

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Date: 2009-01-15 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah, I don't give a shit about how bad his house looked, or the reality of his weight.

Someone with a physical disability like that can't keep house. Is that not freaking obvious?

People with that level of clutter usually don't want a cleaning service. Initial visits are bloody expensive and all they do in subsequent visits is stack your stuff neatly and dust it off.

(I know, been there and done that.)

If all the reports are as reported, then all legal action should follow.

Perhaps had he survived the heart attack he would have made efforts to get physically healthy and live a life more uncluttered.

But hey, guess he never gets the chance now, eh?

It's very easy to let things get like that. once they do, it's very easy to avoid doing anything about it.

I wasn't there - I don't know if the comments were "let's ignore the fat fuck" or more like "Look, he's grey and his pupils aren't responding, his brain's obviously dying from lack of oxygen, I don't see what there is to revive" - either way their job is to stabilize, or attempt to stabilize, then bring him in so a doctor can make the final declaration.
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